Would like to remind you all that we are very much looking for Paladins for our Featured Retadin section of the website. All that it takes is a simple PM to Tharvolde or I suggesting somebody to interview. Remember that we would like a well accomplished PvE Retadin this time around!
A few days of scare this week, with the potential SoV/SoCorr nerf happening for no given reason. I didn’t find it news-worthy until 100% confirmed, luckily for us Ghostcrawler responded not too long ago with this :
Aside from that, this week hasn’t been the most exciting in terms of drama. Penciling in another stream date soon, but for the time being I’ve found a little treat that interested me enough to make a short demo for! It’s called CLCRet, and it’s something that should help all Retadins out there smash their faces that much harder. Because if there was ever an addon to help with a rotation that’s simple enough, this would be it. Props to the author!
Link to CLCRet : Click right here!
- Megaphone
October 4th, 2009 - 3:21 pm
So many things wrong with that.
First, its a copy of SHIT.
2nd, if you need help with your rotation please quit playing retribution so our class and be known for skill and not morons who cant figure this out themselves.
I dont care how you argue it, if you cant play it yourself and figure out what to press GTFO.
I have zero sympathy for horrible ret’s and people who make a ret alt and roll into a BG to try to faceroll, and dont use any tools whatsoever and i roll them.
October 4th, 2009 - 3:35 pm
The sheer amount of anger coming out of your post is borderline hilarious, it really is.
Is there something wrong with addons? When did this become a conversation of the noobs in the game! Noobs will always be noobs, this is just a tool to make things more mindless. Anybody can look at five buttons and press them in the right order, what’s so wrong with making it blatantly obvious on the side of your screen!
Lol no really, it’s almost as if you got killed by a random ret in AB and you went to his server to flame him for 15 minutes and came straight here to make a comment. I’d relax if I were you! /pats
October 4th, 2009 - 3:40 pm
/agree.
I think its kinda cool. Nothing to new but o well.
October 4th, 2009 - 3:41 pm
Its borderline playing for them. And makes the class look bad.
I’d like the class as a whole to start steering away from being laughed at as lolretfaceroll.
Give a brand new player a ret paladin with this addon and im pretty sure he can make the Green triangle fit in the triangular green hole. A baby sure can.
And he will still be clueless how to play. Teach someone how to play. Not make it so they do nothing.
October 4th, 2009 - 3:46 pm
Of course it makes the class look bad - it’s why I added the sarcastic comment ontop of the video. Though one could argue that any class in PvE is hilariously easy to play (it really is), this is only another two cents of proof that we need a viable rotation for our class. Blizzard themselves have said so, and any kick in the ass to hurry and make it happen is good in my book.
In the meantime, this helps me fall asleep that much more while raiding. I’d imagine something like this would be terribly useless in PvP, seeing as there are far more variables you need to keep track of. Anybody who uses this in PvP (you can enable almost any spell to be up there!) won’t be going any further than them playing on their own, that’s for sure!
October 4th, 2009 - 5:10 pm
No one would be using a rotation addon to roll BGs. And obvious troll is obvious.
I tried this addon before, but really, the only thing it has over Serious Help in Timing is not telling you to Exo unless you have AoW procced. Other than that, I liked the simplicity of SHiT better, as I already have PAC telling me when my enchants and trinkets proc.
And sure, this makes some terrible rets do a bit better. But terrible players are terrible players. I like it for the fact that I am not a terrible ret, but I like the little boost I can get by the split second changes it makes based on the priority I give it, something I cant do in my head.
October 4th, 2009 - 5:51 pm
Didn’t know about SHiT before this (seriously, who names their addon that)! They all seem to do the same thing though, just so happens that I stumbled upon this first!
October 5th, 2009 - 3:28 am
i don’t know what’s wrong with using shit or clcret. before these addons were published i had my my actionbar set up to keep an eye on my cooldowns. now i use clcret so what’s the difference? i am playing the game to have fun and if there is an addon that helps me enjoy the game even more why not?
October 5th, 2009 - 8:38 am
CLCRet is featured in a thread on EJ, almost everyone who plays ret seriously has seen it.
Personally, I don’t feel I need the help.
I’m more into Omni CC + Bartender for CDs.
There are also situations where you can’t follow the regular prioritization for example:
When you are on the move, generally its better to prioritize Exo (with AoW) over Cons
October 5th, 2009 - 9:26 am
Definetely my kind of mod for arenas and BGs Frog!
I will have it prioritize Exorcism when Grounding or Cloak of Shadows is up!
Seriously, its a mod for PvE anyways. Don’t get pissed, we all knew standing behind a mob and following a 4 attack rotation was easy in the first place (some fights involve moving but many are simply that easy for ANY class, and I know ret has a “More Difficult” rotation than some classes), this just opens up the door for people who wish to text people “oh whats up bro, oh no im not playing WoW dawgg why would u say dat brah lololol” while they’re raiding.
Another point, the class looks bad enough already. Trust me, you can’t convince anyone that a ret is actually more difficult in certain circumstances than another class (Read: Elemental Shaman or Destro Lock). I even play one of the classes/specs I claim as far easier and people will still disagree with me simply because my main is a retscrub. You have to deal with that.
October 5th, 2009 - 9:28 am
One more thing: how many keybinds do you have Frog? If you have less than me, than it’s borderline play in comparison to me.
October 5th, 2009 - 10:13 am
The RET community has changed. I remember a time when a new RET was welcome and even the most confused or misguided noob could get help from the pros. There has never been a shortage of RET hate, but we are inflicting allot of it to ourselves.
Since the whole FotM thing happened the attitude of the community in general has changed. There is too much “stop making our class look dumb” being thrown around. Seriously, where in the hell does anyone get off telling anyone else what they should or shouldn’t say? Much less what class they should or shouldn’t play.
The game is full of idiots who can’t play their class, but not everyone who doesn’t have 2k arena rating or a dungeon master achievement title is an idiot. The game has evolved and it is becoming easier for “noobs” with each patch that is released. Accept this. The Paladin class doesn’t belong to you. You are not entitled to anything because you’ve been RET since vanilla. Your knowledge of the class mechanics, time spent in the raid and the ilvl of mace you have equipped doesn’t give you any inherited position of leadership.
Lots of people read this site to learn, interact and ultimately become better at the class. There are still many players confused about the spell rotation. Search the forums and you can find many different debates on that topic. Were the theorycrafters in those threads morons, because they hadn’t figured it out yet? Thank god for this site or I’d never been able to pull off raiding as RET in BC. Anything that has potential to help players get better at the class, no matter how trivial to a seasoned veteran, belongs here on this site where people can see it, use it and have a more enjoyable experience in the game.
October 5th, 2009 - 11:04 am
Agree with Luxlusis. Im gonna download this addon to test in arenas and see if i can keep my mind mostly on the enemy CDs, fear Pets, etc than my dps rotation.
I’m from Brazil and i have toons of international friends as me watching this website , having it add as favorite-bar for almost an year. And i’ve played ret for years.
Keep doing this awesome job Admins. Many addons, builds, gears and tips for my ret comes from retpaladin.com. And hardly i take any step after a patch without check the site and get some opinions.
October 5th, 2009 - 11:19 am
I run this addon inside a raid, and the BEST part about it is that i dont have to watch my cooldowns on abilities allowing me to spend more time watching other parts of the fight: when to swap colors on twins, when there’s snobolds to kill or fires or portals or volcanoes… the stuff that actually matters in a raid, instead of focusing on 6 buttons (and you should be using 6 buttons in a raid as ret primarily.. not 3, not 4) and missing those key elements.
October 5th, 2009 - 1:19 pm
Great post Lux.
I have not interest in the addon but can see where some would find it handy.
Yes, ret is easy to play… but as pointed out above… it’s the rets that work in extras during any fight that take full advantage of the game (e.g. cleanse, healing, etc.).
October 5th, 2009 - 4:00 pm
I can see this addon being very useful in a raid setting. With this addon I could hide my main action bar and clear up some valuable space on my UI. Thanks for the recommendation, Mega. I’ll be sure to download it when I get home from work tonight and give it a try.
October 5th, 2009 - 7:19 pm
lol @ frog.
IME, those posts come from the very same FOTM tards he is complaining about.
October 6th, 2009 - 1:51 am
Im sure this has been noted somewhere before but if it hasn’t. Serious Help In Timing is a remake of a feral DPS addon for the exact same reason. I use this addon, not because it makes it easier to play but so I can watch whats going on which needed to watch cooldowns. We are not the only class that uses Visual addons to show rotation, get over it. If you dont like it and have the elitest opinion that you shouldn’t use it then don’t, we don’t care.
October 6th, 2009 - 1:53 am
Probably worth noting as well is like all things, it doesn’t press the button for you. its a guide to highest PVE DPS rotation. You choose the ability to use, not the addon.
October 6th, 2009 - 6:44 am
Lol, the elitest name-callers are almost too funny. They’re little tyrants online, but I enjoy bossing them around at work all day.
October 6th, 2009 - 8:45 am
Tested on pvp but seems it doesnt serve me cause my main pvp judgment is Light and the addon offer priority only for Judgement of wisdom. But, it does the job since was designed for pve.
October 6th, 2009 - 9:50 am
Miniphone is naked in the video…hehe…
but yea. I’m simple though…I just use bartender, omnicc, xpearl, and BANG!AoW. Is all I need. But i can see this addon being useful in some spots.
October 6th, 2009 - 2:22 pm
I dont understand how you actually NEED this addon to tell you what to push while paying attention tho, i have my rotation almost etched into my head, and with quick glances without a timer you can see which one is going to come off CD first.
I can see this being ok for some holy , ret offspec person.
But if your raiding ret fulltime and you HAVE to rely on this…
@Gankadin
As few keybinds to macro my partner as i can. Cleanse,HoF,BoP when pvping with a set person IE.Not a bg.
I always have my self target stuff tho.
I like the idea of having it “I will have it prioritize Exorcism when Grounding or Cloak of Shadows is up!”
for a newer player tho.
@Overweight
Can you not play whatsoever without this addon in those fights? Are you useless on patch days when something breaks?
You seem like the player who NEEDS this because he screws up so bad and gets yelled at for hitting a orb on twins. Can you not see the volcano throwing fire everywhere? the giant portal? a snobold on the person next to you?
Some of you people make me wonder if our class was overhauled tommorow if you could figure out how to play.
October 6th, 2009 - 3:11 pm
i think you missed my sarcasm >.<
and i think we all know our rotation, its just that if all you do is pve why not have this.
and i think i dont understand your arguement anymore.
October 6th, 2009 - 3:11 pm
Lol, Frog.
Who said they NEED this addon. Your first, second, fifth, sixth and seventh paragraphs are all about the NEED for the addon.
“I run this addon inside a raid, and the BEST part about it is that i dont have to watch my cooldowns on abilities allowing me to spend more time watching other parts of the fight: when to swap colors on twins, when there’s snobolds to kill or fires or portals or volcanoes… the stuff that actually matters in a raid, instead of focusing on 6 buttons (and you should be using 6 buttons in a raid as ret primarily.. not 3, not 4) and missing those key elements.”
I hear somebody commenting on how it’s a very convenient addon and a scenario to where it benefits him.
One more ridiculous troll and I won’t allow your comments anymore. Far too out of line there champ, leave that to the WoW forums.
October 6th, 2009 - 4:05 pm
and missing those key elements.”
If he is missing them without it, he is bad and wouldnt be allowed to stay in a top guild unless he was buddybuddy with someone.
I aint trolling shit, im posting the truth.
When people app and you look at what addons they run, this is the sort of thing you can look for to tell a bad player from a good one.
Maybe im just sick of shitty paladin’s apping to my guild all the time?
Some of them even socket armor pen.
October 6th, 2009 - 4:07 pm
@Gankadin
give me a email ill show you some screenshots of what im talking about.
October 6th, 2009 - 5:38 pm
Frog, please just calm down and stop acting so elitist. This is really nothing to argue so much over, and you are being really hotheaded with it. Letting other people play how they want to play won’t exactly force you to play the same way.
On-topic, I like CLC better than SHiT for customization purposes.
October 6th, 2009 - 7:48 pm
I like it, simple, effective in seeing what will come off cooldown first, but not required. I’ve basically memorized the order in which to press the attacks in already. No big deal… frog is just overreacting.
October 6th, 2009 - 8:39 pm
Yes, serious help in timing i also prefer for a pure pve faceroll, although 90% of the time i find i’m not even paying attention to the addon.
For pve I have personally configured tellmewhen to show when i have AoW proc, and Exo off cooldown. That’s the only mod I use for pvp, and any priority mod just simply will not work, as previously stated.
But as a note for some of you, there is also an addon similar to S.H.I.T called P.I.S.S (Protection is stupidly simple) at least i think that is what it was called. For those of you who offspec.
October 6th, 2009 - 8:42 pm
Just think this might be a valid enough point to stop your overwhelming desire to post the “truth”…
If you feel that using a mod that can make things easier for you makes you a noob…
Pallypower- Any one can be assigned a buff, and buff someone accordingly. It just makes coordinating things that much easier… Should I not use it because it makes buffing brainless and quick?
This was a simple post about the utility of a mod. If you’re angry because you feel you’re being grouped up with all the other wannabe ret paladins out there… I have an idea…
Why not make your own mod that makes raids, battlegrounds, and arenas more unbearably tedious? That way, you can post a video of yourself still out playing noobs and show us that only true paladins cut off their own legs and still triumph?
If I stirred up another negative response from you, I apologize. I just wanted to make a point. A very simple one. If you feel like you need a mod to help you… why not use it? and if you dont? No big deal… just move on. Megaphone was just trying to introduce a mod that he sees helpful to the retpaladin community. This was never about LOLRET FACEROLL or etc. So please… if you don’t have a constructive comment that is relative to this post. Just don’t post.
Also. Can you be anymore Kanye?
October 6th, 2009 - 9:40 pm
lol i digg the kanye reference.
October 7th, 2009 - 1:18 am
kanye reference = win
October 7th, 2009 - 6:51 am
Kanye reference was pro IMO
October 7th, 2009 - 9:55 am
Is Frog making anyone else chuckle, or is that just me?
October 7th, 2009 - 11:02 am
yea im laughing up a storm here.
October 7th, 2009 - 3:09 pm
“Frog, please just calm down ”
“The sheer amount of anger coming out of your post is borderline hilarious”
I dunno i think its pretty funny people think im angry or yelling ? or something i have no idea.
I just post thinks in a very blatent and to the point way.
“Why not make your own mod that makes raids, battlegrounds, and arenas more unbearably tedious?”
I enjoy playing? why would i do that.
Anyhow i made my point that if a ret rely’s on this and cant pay attention to fights enough with or without this to be succesful they wont make it in a real guild.
Which is all i was saying anyhow.
I look forward to some 3.3 ret news..
October 7th, 2009 - 3:12 pm
its just a fallback if you somehow end up out of ratation… who said people relied on it?
October 7th, 2009 - 4:03 pm
I did, i stated “Maybe im just sick of shitty paladin’s apping to my guild all the time?”
Some of them used this, and they socket armor pen. But thats a diffrent issue.
October 7th, 2009 - 4:45 pm
Have you ever looked at the recount breakdown of rogue damage? How about the spam button factor of warriors? God, what about ranged dps? How easy do they have it.
frog just sounds like some tool who levelled up his ret and throws insults around in hopes he’ll be perceived as a true pally. How tired and lame is that crap? Honestly.
October 7th, 2009 - 7:36 pm
You must be french. ^
October 7th, 2009 - 11:34 pm
I would say this is one of the better addons out there, I have been using it because where it is like SHIT, It’s designed better, And the difference between this addon and just looking at your bars there is none. No one needs addons they make certain aspects more ejoyable.
I don’t know even one raider who does not use some type of cooldown monitor to watch for cooldowns without being forced to stare at your bottom bar.
The addon is a good addon the author does good work for it and it’s definitely better then staring at cooldown buttons or bars yet is exactly the same thing.
October 8th, 2009 - 12:47 am
“sounds like some tool who levelled up his ret and throws insults around in hopes he’ll be perceived as a true pally”
actually i started out holy, went prot for most of BC and went ret before the buffs.
In other new’s how about that t10 4peice..
October 8th, 2009 - 9:55 am
lI like the 2pc quite a bit. 10% more damage on my highest priority attack? cool
4 pc…
lets see… 4% means… one every 25 swings on average, with a 2.8 hasted swing it means a proc a little over once a minute… (assuming 1/min for napkin math) which… if it hits for 6k is… another 6000 damage in 60 seconds so… 100 dps…. assuming we’re doing 6500 dps… comes out to ~1.5% dps boost.
I really love the direction the set bonus is going, but i think the proc chance is a bit too low, especially when compared with some other classes bonuses like
dk: 3% extra damage whenever your runes are on cooldown for 15 seconds which, if i recall, is quite a bit of the time.
hunter: 4% more damage to stung targets (who dosent keep SS up)
warrior: 2 instant slams/executes instead of one (but its a chance on a chance, which we know from experience is shakey, but it sounds good on paper).
I think a proc chance closer to 10% (2-4 PPM) seems much more reasonable.
October 8th, 2009 - 11:01 am
I like the idea behind the 4PC it adds a little more flavor but we are GCD starved as it is so I don’t see that I would be putting much effort into it unless it was like Yogg 0 or something there are a ton of adds for.
If they wanted us to use something like that they would need to put it on Judgment because most of our other atttacks just aren’t worth trying throw in to an already extremely GCD starved DPS rotation.
But yes 2PC will be nice for PvE and PvP both and 2PC t9/t10 should be nice until offset pieces replace the T9.
October 8th, 2009 - 12:30 pm
if it procs off specials it might be aight.
i want 2 peice for pvp
October 8th, 2009 - 1:09 pm
My major concern is how it can become a wasted proc.
It could proc just a split second before the CD is coming up, rendering it useless for that proc. There’s so many variables that make it just not that great.
Id bump it up to 25%
October 8th, 2009 - 1:09 pm
2 set is pretty amazing. And i am 100% sure i will wear it.
October 8th, 2009 - 1:20 pm
yea that is a problem i see with 4 set, it might proc when its cooled down already. we will see if its a PPM like greatness or if it can be random with back to backs.
October 8th, 2009 - 6:46 pm
2 Pieces (Damage): (Updated) Your melee attacks have a 40% chance to reset the cooldown on your Divine Storm ability.
4 Pieces (Damage): (Updated) Your Seals and Judgements deal 10% additional damage.
oh hell yes.
October 8th, 2009 - 7:22 pm
@Frog
Indeed. Indeed Hell yes.
October 8th, 2009 - 8:38 pm
there goes the 2pc 2pc idea. but yea, we’ll have to see exactly what “melee attacks” means, but it is potentially very powerful.
October 8th, 2009 - 11:23 pm
Even if its just melee attacks now, thats a pretty good chance to refresh early enough now. I wish i had this set bonus now for beating up anubarak:P
October 10th, 2009 - 10:06 pm
@Frog
Yes that would be awesome right now.
Atm its being theorized that the 2pc will bump down the effective average DS cd to 4-5 secs.
October 11th, 2009 - 10:11 pm
looks like its time to start pve’ing again
October 13th, 2009 - 9:39 pm
@ Frog
Why would you honestly care about how poor the other paladins applying for your guild are? If they are so poor, just show them up whenever they come to a raid and show your worth instead of complaining about things on here. if someone uses an addon then let them, you get locks using their dot timers etc, the bottom line is this : people will always look for something to make their life easier, and blizzard are very happy for them to do it which is why they implemented the addon system they have.
March 24th, 2010 - 8:32 am
@ Frog
I know this is an old post but w/e ._.
Im cuttently wearing 3/5 t10
@Tordek “Atm its being theorized that the 2pc will bump down the effective average DS cd to 4-5 secs.”
It is actually no a “my swings will refresh it every 3 seconds”, your attack speed can come out to be right after DS finishes and u can refresh it, i.e i have gotten 8 DS’s in under 15 seconds befor in a raid fight, it has definitally bumped up my dps.
however some theorized that 2t10/2t9 will make a great combo, however the crit only takes the damage up from 550 to ~950
not enough to out slot a offset peice of 251 gear