Is there any other class in the game that works this way? 50% of the total dps done is by auto attacks?
If so then Ghostlobster’s statement that the Seal and Judgement system is unique is certainly true, if we’re the only ones in that situation.

“Another issue is the seal system. Without one up, we’re useless. Our entire damage is based on having a seal up. I don’t like that. Another issue is its purpose: use and forget. I’m not a fan of that. I think they should be some sort of cooldown(say, a 30 second boost based on the type of seal), so we’re juggling small cooldowns(seals), Longer ones(Avenging Wrath), and a system that requires setup in both PvE and PvP for success.”

That’s exactly the problem with Retribution paladins. The Seal system is so messed up that if you look at DPS logs – hell – just open Recount after a static fight like Saurfang 25 or Rotface 25/Festergut 25… 50%(!) of your total dps will be made from auto-attack swings and seal procs combined. The point being that you’re doing HALF of your dps as a retribution paladin without ACTUALLY using an ability to do that much damage. Sure you can say that “CS and DS proc seals!” Just look what they did to Divine Storm, was supposed to be Holy damage in the first place but yeah that got changed faster than you realized :p….admittedly the damage was TOO high..but hell..just tone it down if it’s THAT overpowered.

I loved TBCthrough and through. I began to hate months into Wrath with each and every patch from there forth. I just feel like the class went into a spammy, cooldown clashing, and wrong direction for mewhich made it not fun anymore…

This is my few, you can do with it what you want.

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@ Alec

There’s a difference between posting a comment here and spamming page after page to get something done on the WoW public forums. I’m sure a group of people 100+ strong calmly talking about something over the public forums won’t get a thing done, as won’t 100+ people crying about hunters and calling everybody retarded.

You want me to start getting mad and be under a constant rain of flak all the time? Sure, let me hop on that! You better be glad I still let your worthless posts stick to this article.

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And you should know that I’m not one to sit down and take it Exedore, just look at how much crap I’ve gotten over the past just by voicing out an opinion with an aggressive tone! Damn straight we need people kicking and screaming – but I’m not going to tolerate crying here. What’s is crying and not making sense going to accomplish in our community? I sure as hell don’t want that guy representing me.

There needs to be a decent balance of knowledge and “get it done on the forums”, or else you just have people who roll ret after getting smashed on their 30 resilience Warlocks wondering why they aren’t killing all the hunters and feel the need to voice their opinion on this site!

THUPER

THERIOU

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EXTHELTHIORRR!

But seriously, most of us don’t bring it up on the forums in a calm, collective manner because we always get shot down by “lol look at the ret who wants a pony”, and blizzard seems to think the same. Hoff nad Exedore put up a few posts but they all eventually turned into a bunch of kids whining at each other. Using the forums to get a message out to blizzard does not work. Personally, I’m remaining hopeful that they’ve absorbed our thoughts and plan for something different in Cataclysm.

Your hostility, however, is unwarranted and only serves to put us in a worse place than the rest of the WoW community views us already.

If the EU paladins forums didn’t erupt with hate posts the night of the 2.3 PTR notes, Ret probably wouldn’t have had threat reduction in TBC, making it completely non-viable as a DPS spec for the entire expansion (as opposed to half). In fact, pre-2.3 TBC PvE Ret was hindered by threat more than anything else (both horde and alliance). And it was pointed out well before 2.2 went live. Yes numerous EU rets were banned from the forums for spamming the boards in order to bring that glaring flaw to Blizzard’s attention. It worked fairly well for the class in the end.

Like I said, I hate that that approach works. But any constructive feedback or suggestions that we try to give in a civil manner seemingly gets ignored by Blizzard who realizes the problem a few months down the road. And the threads themselves are filled with flames from ret trolls or terrible rets that want all the PvP abilities of warriors.

To sum it up, I miss Seal of Blood and I miss when armor penetration was actually a useful stat for us as well. <3 my Cataclysm’s Edge and my Shivering Felspine. Sunwell was fun too.

What I hate about the class is eventually became that first come first serve kinda rotation which no matter what the hell I did with became the Ret’s downfall because it felt like no matter what the rotation in Wrath with each patch Ret became severely hindered by the clutterness of the rotation.

I miss the old Ret when I was one of the few Rets on the server in raiding guilds and pulling my own weight if not better than most near end of Burning Crusade. Felt good to be Ret back then where as in Wrath I became that person who complained about every patch to “fix” Ret because in my opinion most fixes were making the class less fun to play all in all and the clutterness of the rotation basically put me at “I can’t do anything to make this more fun or make myself better…” Which is prolly why I ended up quitting. Ret wasn’t fun anymore for me.