Comments on: Holy Power, Batman! http://www.retpaladin.com/warcraft/2010/07/holy-power-batman/ Everything Retribution that anyone and their mom could want Sun, 29 Jan 2012 21:37:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.3 By: Meracalis http://www.retpaladin.com/warcraft/2010/07/holy-power-batman/#comment-21264 Meracalis Fri, 23 Jul 2010 02:38:40 +0000 http://www.retpaladin.com/warcraft/?p=268#comment-21264 http://www.wowtal.com/#k=.9q4.paladin Looking much better. 2 minute cooldown on zealotry. http://www.wowtal.com/#k=.9q4.paladin

Looking much better. 2 minute cooldown on zealotry.

]]> By: Ruzael http://www.retpaladin.com/warcraft/2010/07/holy-power-batman/#comment-21263 Ruzael Fri, 23 Jul 2010 02:21:19 +0000 http://www.retpaladin.com/warcraft/?p=268#comment-21263 New build looks a lot better. Still hate the idea of holy gargoyle and think it should be removed. Talent trees are starting to look better. New build looks a lot better. Still hate the idea of holy gargoyle and think it should be removed. Talent trees are starting to look better.

]]> By: Exedore http://www.retpaladin.com/warcraft/2010/07/holy-power-batman/#comment-21262 Exedore Fri, 23 Jul 2010 02:01:04 +0000 http://www.retpaladin.com/warcraft/?p=268#comment-21262 New build. Update faster, Tharvolde! New build. Update faster, Tharvolde!

]]> By: Meracalis http://www.retpaladin.com/warcraft/2010/07/holy-power-batman/#comment-21260 Meracalis Fri, 23 Jul 2010 00:35:43 +0000 http://www.retpaladin.com/warcraft/?p=268#comment-21260 Ghostcrawler stated that Holy Power will get its own resource bar, like runes for a DK or whatever. It's just displayed as a stacking buff atm because the art assests aren't ready. Ghostcrawler stated that Holy Power will get its own resource bar, like runes for a DK or whatever. It’s just displayed as a stacking buff atm because the art assests aren’t ready.

]]> By: Apmac http://www.retpaladin.com/warcraft/2010/07/holy-power-batman/#comment-21237 Apmac Thu, 22 Jul 2010 16:29:35 +0000 http://www.retpaladin.com/warcraft/?p=268#comment-21237 bla bla rotations , bla bla new fancy Cataclysm names for spells and talents. Shock will probably need some macros to ajust the targets , cuz it'll be used for healing ONLY .. Where is my Freedom remove gayness Where is my disspel mechanics , idk if i can spellinterrupt a frostmage , wen he can poly-reset me , or just kite the crap out of me , with no freedom and no disspell. Or some random Spraist or Warlock to dot my ass while feared. The holy powa better be stacking on the palladin(and has to stack tons per second ) , and not on the target , cuz wen u vanish ,iceblock , disspell , ressist ,deflect it ... the fun ends. From what i've seen pvp it's one foot in the grave for me. As for PvE and raiding , as paladins aways were and will be , 1-2-3 back to 1 rotations. There were some nice thingies to see aswell , but that holy powa just seems to be the new big deal for rets , and they will not be able to do anything flashy without it.. The most awesome thing i see here is that Rets finally will have to think while bashing keys. The new mechanics , and spells will full the gaps on my casting bars, trough it's sad i wouln't be able to play on my pally using my Chillstream gamepad :( . P.s. At least i can be a holycow bla bla rotations , bla bla new fancy Cataclysm names for spells and talents.
Shock will probably need some macros to ajust the targets , cuz it’ll be used for healing ONLY ..
Where is my Freedom remove gayness
Where is my disspel mechanics , idk if i can spellinterrupt a frostmage , wen he can poly-reset me , or just kite the crap out of me , with no freedom and no disspell. Or some random Spraist or Warlock to dot my ass while feared.
The holy powa better be stacking on the palladin(and has to stack tons per second ) , and not on the target , cuz wen u vanish ,iceblock , disspell , ressist ,deflect it … the fun ends. From what i’ve seen pvp it’s one foot in the grave for me.
As for PvE and raiding , as paladins aways were and will be , 1-2-3 back to 1 rotations.
There were some nice thingies to see aswell , but that holy powa just seems to be the new big deal for rets , and they will not be able to do anything flashy without it..

The most awesome thing i see here is that Rets finally will have to think while bashing keys. The new mechanics , and spells will full the gaps on my casting bars, trough it’s sad i wouln’t be able to play on my pally using my Chillstream gamepad :( .
P.s. At least i can be a holycow

]]> By: UnstableOne http://www.retpaladin.com/warcraft/2010/07/holy-power-batman/#comment-21234 UnstableOne Thu, 22 Jul 2010 14:22:41 +0000 http://www.retpaladin.com/warcraft/?p=268#comment-21234 They could have done worse. PVE harder rotation changes might pay off *IF* the single target damage is comparable to other classes. Though it seems annoying to have to deal with getting 5 stacks of SoV then getting 3 stacks of holy power then using the buff; then keeping that buff up, then switching targets...at least they admitted they might have to make it easier. At least they cant claim ignorance in balancing the damage since divine storm wont be used all the time, maybe not even consecration. But at the moment, why would anyone want to play ret in pvp? The BS excuse of them wanting it to be our weakness isnt cutting it. Stun, fear, disarm, silence, root/slow when freedom gets instantly dispelled - seems like enough weaknesses to me since a lot of our "utility" talents have had things removed. It also sucks that you cant even get all the damage talents and pursuit of justice. You'd be better off being holy in pvp with the new heals, healing a different class that actually has the skills they need to be successful. They could have done worse. PVE harder rotation changes might pay off *IF* the single target damage is comparable to other classes. Though it seems annoying to have to deal with getting 5 stacks of SoV then getting 3 stacks of holy power then using the buff; then keeping that buff up, then switching targets…at least they admitted they might have to make it easier.

At least they cant claim ignorance in balancing the damage since divine storm wont be used all the time, maybe not even consecration.

But at the moment, why would anyone want to play ret in pvp? The BS excuse of them wanting it to be our weakness isnt cutting it. Stun, fear, disarm, silence, root/slow when freedom gets instantly dispelled – seems like enough weaknesses to me since a lot of our “utility” talents have had things removed. It also sucks that you cant even get all the damage talents and pursuit of justice.

You’d be better off being holy in pvp with the new heals, healing a different class that actually has the skills they need to be successful.

]]> By: Callango http://www.retpaladin.com/warcraft/2010/07/holy-power-batman/#comment-21233 Callango Thu, 22 Jul 2010 12:28:45 +0000 http://www.retpaladin.com/warcraft/?p=268#comment-21233 The talents look nice (except the Zealotry). I like the idea of folding SoCommand into SoR, but it will mean nothing if SoV still procs on auto-attacks (did they change it?) BUT, even with all the exiting news, I am still expecting 3.0 all over again. Our mobility, as far as I know, is still messed up and forberance is still there - They said they were going to look into it, but given Blizzard's design in the past, they are just end up fixing Zealotry's cooldown and making it proc forberance (or making us unable to use bubble, AW, etc, shortly after it). I hope they look into all this problems, but I am waiting for the worse The talents look nice (except the Zealotry). I like the idea of folding SoCommand into SoR, but it will mean nothing if SoV still procs on auto-attacks (did they change it?)

BUT, even with all the exiting news, I am still expecting 3.0 all over again.
Our mobility, as far as I know, is still messed up and forberance is still there – They said they were going to look into it, but given Blizzard’s design in the past, they are just end up fixing Zealotry’s cooldown and making it proc forberance (or making us unable to use bubble, AW, etc, shortly after it).

I hope they look into all this problems, but I am waiting for the worse

]]> By: Tharvolde http://www.retpaladin.com/warcraft/2010/07/holy-power-batman/#comment-21231 Tharvolde Thu, 22 Jul 2010 12:16:35 +0000 http://www.retpaladin.com/warcraft/?p=268#comment-21231 Solution: Add a new ability counter to Templar's Verdict that snares the target based on Holy Power. Something to the tune of 1 second per Holy Power. Make it at range and perhaps require that Judgement be applied to the target. Solution: Add a new ability counter to Templar’s Verdict that snares the target based on Holy Power. Something to the tune of 1 second per Holy Power. Make it at range and perhaps require that Judgement be applied to the target.

]]> By: Exedore http://www.retpaladin.com/warcraft/2010/07/holy-power-batman/#comment-21229 Exedore Thu, 22 Jul 2010 11:43:52 +0000 http://www.retpaladin.com/warcraft/?p=268#comment-21229 @Meracalis Holy Shock is confirmed by Ghostcrawler to be the Holy spec lvl 10 bonus ability. It's no longer available for all paladins. Divine Purpose (lvl 10 Ret passive) is supposed to a chance at grant holy power generation from melee attacks, but it's unsure what that chance is. However, the problem with that is that it still requires the ret paladin to be in melee for an extended time for it to start being useful. That's a really poor design for PvP unless we have a way to stay glued to a target for a long time like a rogue. @Meracalis

Holy Shock is confirmed by Ghostcrawler to be the Holy spec lvl 10 bonus ability. It’s no longer available for all paladins.

Divine Purpose (lvl 10 Ret passive) is supposed to a chance at grant holy power generation from melee attacks, but it’s unsure what that chance is.

However, the problem with that is that it still requires the ret paladin to be in melee for an extended time for it to start being useful. That’s a really poor design for PvP unless we have a way to stay glued to a target for a long time like a rogue.

]]> By: Mekaya http://www.retpaladin.com/warcraft/2010/07/holy-power-batman/#comment-21218 Mekaya Thu, 22 Jul 2010 07:47:06 +0000 http://www.retpaladin.com/warcraft/?p=268#comment-21218 Hmmm, tinkering about. I think most of us can come up with a PvP spec already. The one I created is assuming that Zealotry isn't really 30 min. (oh god plz dont be) Hmmm, tinkering about. I think most of us can come up with a PvP spec already. The one I created is assuming that Zealotry isn’t really 30 min. (oh god plz dont be)

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